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 on: August 14, 2008, 02:53:22 PM 
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Thompson’s Race Hasn’t Quite Begun, but Turmoil Has
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By SUSAN SAULNY
Published: July 28, 2007
Former Senator Fred D. Thompson has yet to make a formal declaration that he is running for president, but already his noncampaign campaign has gone through its first shake-up.

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Former Senator Fred D. Thompson, with his wife, Jeri Kehn Thompson, after speaking at a South Carolina Republican fund-raiser last month.


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A week of personnel turnover that extended from his campaign-manager-in-waiting down to volunteers raised questions about whether the Thompson camp is prepared to jump fully into the race for the Republican presidential nomination, a race in which his rivals have had months to establish their campaign organizations, raise money and hone strategy.

It also ignited speculation in Republican circles about who is really in charge, and in particular about the extent of the role being played by Mr. Thompson’s wife, Jeri Kehn Thompson, a former political operative.

On Tuesday, Tom Collamore, a top adviser to Mr. Thompson, stepped aside. At the same time, Mr. Thompson’s political operation announced that it was bringing in Randy Enwright, a veteran Republican strategist with ties to the Bush family, and former Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham, to take over the prospective campaign. The next day, the organization’s research director quit, and other staff members walked out.

Mr. Thompson, an actor and former senator from Tennessee, has been publicly considering a run for the presidency since March.

“They are dancing on the edge, and it’s a pretty sharp edge,” said Robert Haus, a Republican political consultant in Des Moines. “In all fairness, you have to assume that the Thompson campaign is trying to quickly put bricks and mortar under some very high expectations.”

Steve Gill, a Nashville-based conservative talk radio host who has written a biography of Mr. Thompson, said: “This is a challenging time for the nascent campaign. They’re not where they need to be in terms of staff and because of his seeming front-runner status.”

Mr. Gill continued: “Thompson has to recognize that these are dangerous times. It’s good news, bad news. The good news is you’re a front runner. The bad news is the transition into a campaign is more dangerous.”

Mr. Thompson, 64, has said that he is intent on running a different kind of presidential campaign — on his own timetable and with the heavy use of all the tools available on the Internet, including online fund-raising and blogging. But the recent reshuffling has left unclear what balance he is striking between a traditional campaign and something truly different. And Republicans are still trying to determine who is really calling the shots and how much power is held by Mrs. Thompson.

“It’s now become an open joke among people in the consultant community and political movers and shakers that the senator’s wife is really running the campaign,” said Tony Fabrizio, a Republican pollster and strategist. “The spouse needs to be an integral part of the campaign but it is never a good thing when the spouse runs the campaign because the spouse is never objective.”

Mr. Thompson is not expected to enter the race officially until September, and he is not competing in what has traditionally been the first big matchup of the Republican candidates, the straw poll next month in Ames, Iowa.

Instead, Mr. Thompson has been giving speeches and raising money and blogging his views directly to voters with a particular emphasis on his conservative credentials. He has laid out conservative views on gun control, immigration and terrorism, and paid homage to Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan.

Mr. Thompson’s supporters say he can fill what they see as a void for a true conservative who can also get elected. But there are also concerns about a summertime drop-off in enthusiasm and fund-raising, that the campaign has fallen short of its initial $5 million fund-raising target. (The “Friends of Fred Thompson” committee said it would report contributions and expenditures for the first time on Tuesday.)

“It’s unclear how much money he’s raising but the longer he waits, the bigger the financial mountain is going to be that he has to climb in the remaining months,” said David R. Gergen, a professor of public service at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard who has advised presidents of both parties. “If he’s raised an eye-popping number, he’ll be taken much more seriously. But if he hasn’t, then there’s going to be this puzzle of why is he waiting? Is he ready? Is there some problem here?”

Even some of his most ardent supporters are expressing some impatience, urging Mr. Thompson to engage fully in the race.

“What’s the holdup?” Keith Harper, the founder of one of the most popular Web sites for Thompson supporters, www.fredheads.com, wrote this month on his news page. “It seems an opportunity is being squandered.”

“This support should be nurtured, not pushed aside and asked to stand-by forever,” Mr. Harper said. “Enough with the ambiguities. Enough with those around you being more decisive than you are. Let’s hear it, Fred.”


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 on: February 13, 2008, 08:11:07 PM 
Started by GoldenEagles - Last post by GoldenEagles
U.S. Navy Concludes John McCain is No Hero

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All POW's are carried on the active duty roster, and all of them received promotions during their time in captivity unless there was a reason to believe that the soldier or airman in question was not doing his duty.  During this period of captivity, McCain should have received at least one promotion, from Lt. Commander, to Commander.  But he did not receive that promotion.   If the U.S. Navy Brass had any sense that John McCain III conducted himself in a heroic manner, no not even that level of excellence would have been required, if he had just done his duty, even in a mediocre manner,  during that period, you can be sure, they would have given him that promotion.  Finally something they can put on his record that would shed some light of honor upon his father the Admiral.  But this was not to be.  No, it was their conclusion, from the evidence, that John McCain III could not even meet the mark of duty performed, that he fell below that, further shaming his father by collaborating with the enemy.  And this was public knowledge, something they could not keep in the closet, and McCain is heard via international shortwave, giving military significant information to the enemy, which was used as propaganda against the U.S.  And thus, the record speaks.  McCain did not receive a promotion. 

And in this we have the third documented testimony of the U.S. Navy, telling us that John McCain III was no hero.  But there's more.  There is one more point of testimony that the U.S. Navy placed on the record, there third statement that John McCain III was no hero. 

When John McCain III was released from captivity, he was swept up in the universal hero-worship that settled like a golden crown upon  every returning POW.  To maintain what level of morale remained in the American population,  it was decided, probably at the highest presidential level, that no POW would be court-martialed  for collaboration with the enemy.  McCain could have been so court-martialed, the case was there, as his acts violated sections of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.  And this along with many others.  But the leadership of this nation was in the process of closing out this chapter, with Nixon's Peace with Honor withdrawal strategy taking form at the Paris "Peace" Talks.  Indeed the kind of "peace" that settled upon the whole of Vietnam in 1975, when it was overrun by North Vietnamese tank divisions.

Perhaps the presence of an admirals son in the mix helped Nixon to make this decision, again to spare the honored admiral the shame of such a trial.   Certainly, this argument would have been made at the highest levels.  And thus, it could be, that just like the Naval Academy Scenario, the guilty survived with their honor intact, because of the presence of this admirals son, and the need to save the honor of his father.

With the closet door shut on this whole subject area, the Navy Brass was willing to given John McCain III one more chance.  He was given a slot at the prestigious Naval War College, restored his flight status, notwithstanding his permanent disabilities (accured when his plane was shot down over Vietnam) and after that, assigned to the post of executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, whose mission was to train airmen for carrier duty, and soon thereafter was elevated into the top command slot of that group. And still like a pack of angry dogs, the resents of favoritism still nipped at his heels wherever he was assigned.  But all of this was done for the admiral father.  Somehow his son had to be redeemed, for him to retain his own honor.   And so, they were giving him another chance.  Will this guy finally come around, and give the heart of his father some peace?

If he finally came around here, to some semblance of professional behavior, he could then be moved to an executive officer position, or a command position, in a directly operational sea deployed squadron, which would maintain the career path to the admiralty.  He had to become the hero here, at last, and finally. 

I am not going to get into the details of McCain’s behavior while in command of RAG 174, or into the details of his performance. I am going to defer to the judgment of the U.S. Navy.  A judgment of the U.S. Navy that is on the record. 

If the U.S. Navy had any sense that John McCain was a hero, they would have continued him on the operational track to the admiralty.  But they did not.

What they did, in 1977, was give him another one of those pat on the back,(for the sake of his dad) and kick-in-the-butt "promotions", clearly saying, YOU HAVE FAILED, which took him off the operational path that could have led him into admiralty.  He was allowed to wear his new Captain bars as second in command of the U.S. Navy Liaison office on Capitol Hill.  His Father, and the Navy, saying to him, you can't make it with us, perhaps you can do better among those of your own kind.

His father, the Admiral, died in 1981.  With his high placed advocate clearly gone from the scene, the son finally understood that his Naval Career was over, and later that year he resigned form the U.S. Navy (to pursue a political route to the top of the heap that he could not gain in the U.S. Navy, no matter the number of helping hands extended to him by the friends of his father.)

The U.S. Navy has spoken.   

  • In 1958, by graduating John McCain at the very bottom of his 900 member class, the U.S. Navy said, John McCain is no hero.

  • During the years 1967 to 1973, by refusing John McCain a promotion during his captivity as a POW, the U.S. Navy said, John McCain is no hero.

  • In 1977, by refusing to continue John McCain on the operational path to the admiralty, by giving him an assignment that was tantamount to returning him to civilian life,  the U.S. Navy said, John McCain  is no hero.

If the U.S. Navy believed that John McCain was a hero at any of these points in history, they would not have made these decisions.  The decisions made flowed forth, out of the command structure, from the obvious conclusion formed in the minds of the admiralty itself, based on the behavior of the man, that John McCain was no hero.

True enough, all along the way, the Navy Brass was doing their level best, for the sake of the father, to help McCain become a hero, if he had it in him.  But at these three crictical junctures, the U.S. Navy, and his father, placed on the record, the fact that they had failed in their efforts, and they had to admit, that there was nothing in the character of this John McCain that would have made him a hero.  No one had been given more of an opportunity to prove himself than John McCain, and no one had failed more spectacularly in this than John McCain, the son, and the grandson of famous admirals.

Indeed, the U.S. Navy has spoken three times, with the same message very time, that John McCain III is no hero.  And against the backdrop of all the ways the Navy Brass tried to help him for the sake of the honor of his father and his grandfather, in these three statements, placed upon the record for all time, not only did the U.S. Navy say that John McCain III is no hero, they said loudly and clearly to the world, that the Naval Career of John McCain III was a tragedy, which broke the heart of his father.

How far from the truth are they, who parrot the illusion created by the media, that this man is a hero.  When the truth is, that he is a walking tragedy, and one who is full of hate for those who grabbed the golden ring out of his hand.  How could the media be more than this, this flock of colorful parrots, who squawk their familiar refrain, pieces of eight, pieces of eight, pieces of eight, whose only knowledge of gold could come from the pirates, and the treasures they have stolen from others?



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 on: February 13, 2008, 08:07:00 PM 
Started by GoldenEagles - Last post by GoldenEagles
U.S. Navy Concludes John McCain is No Hero

Before we look at the conclusions of the U.S. Navy, let us be clear about what is the truth regarding this Mirage of Hero Worship that surrounds John McCain.  It is a falsehood and a fabrication promoted by the Liberals in the Mass Media who form this shield of Illusion around John McCain for one purpose, to give the luster of  unimpeachable veracity to the liberal causes, their causes, which John McCain champions, behavior which has caused the lips of so many genuine conservatives to whisper the word "traitor" under their breathes, and in some cases out loud.   

In this, I have spoken the truth, all the facts validate it, and history will so judge.

Now let the U.S. Navy speak the truth, perhaps not in so many words, but certainly, and like many national trumpets,  by the actions they have taken in regards to the Naval Career of John McCain.

As to the background of what the U.S. Navy would like to have done, truly with all of their hearts, for the Naval Career of John McCain, is to be found in his family history.  His Grandfather, John McCain Sr., rose through the ranks from ensign, to the rank of Admiral in command of an Aircraft Carrier task force in the Pacific in World War II.  His command performed in the most distinguished manner.  His father, John McCain Jr. rose through the ranks to become an Admiral to again command all U.S. Forces in the Pacific during the hottest portion of the Vietnam War.  I would like to quote the following excerpt from a bio on the POWNETWORK website.  These two men are very much honored in the tradition of the U.S. Navy:


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 "John McCain's grandfather was a gaunt, hawk-faced man known as Slew   by his fellow officers and, affectionately, as Popeye by the sailors   who served under him. McCain Sr. played the horses, drank bourbon   and water, and rolled his own cigarettes with one hand. More   significant, he was one of the navy's greatest commanders, and led   the strongest aircraft carrier force of the Third Fleet in key   battles during World War II."

  "Rear Admiral John S. McCain, who, as Commander Aircraft South   Pacific Forces (COMAIRSOPAC), controlled all land-based aircraft in   the South Pacific Area, including those of the US Army Air Forces   (USAAF)."

  "Born at Carroll County, Mississippi, August 9, 1884, the son of   John Sidney and Elizabeth-Ann Young McCain.

  He was a student at the University of Mississippi, 1901-02 and   graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1906, from the   Navy War College in 1929, from Flight Instruction School, 1936. He   married Katherine Vaulx, August 9, 1909. Their children were: John   Sidney, James Gordon, Katherine Vaulx.

  He was commissioned an Ensign, 1906, and promoted through the grades   to Rear Admiral, 1941; Vice Admiral, July 1943. He served as Chief   of the Naval Bureau of Aeronautics, September 1942-July 1943; Deputy   Chief of Naval Operations for Air, July 1943; Commander, Carrier   Task Force 38. Planes under his command took part in action over   Peleliu, Leyte Gulf, Philippine Sea, Mindoro, Luzon, Formosa,   Ruyukyus and the Japanese homeland. His planes once sank 49 Japanese   ships in a single day. Between July 10 and August 14, 1945, his   aviators located and destroyed 3,000 grounded enemy planes. He   witnessed the Japanese surrender aboard the USS Missouri in Tokyo   Bay on September 2, 1945.

 He died on September 6, 1945 and was buried in Section 3 (Grave   4356) of Arlington National Cemetery, among other family members,   including his brother, William Alexander McCain, Brigadier General,   U.S. Arlington National Cemetery Biography"

  "John McCain's father followed a similar path, equally distinguished   by heroic service in the navy, as a submarine commander during World   War II. McCain Jr., was a slightly built man, but like his father,   he earned the respect and affection of his men. He, too, rose to the   rank of four-star admiral, making the McCains the first family in   American history to achieve that distinction. McCain Jr's final   assignment was as commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific during   the Vietnam War."
 
  "Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., submariner, became Commander-in-Chief   of the Pacific Command (CINCPAC) in July 1968, a position he held   until 1972. As such, he directed all U.S. military operations in the   vast war theater during the Vietnam war, exercising command through   CINCPACFL (Commander-in-Chief of the Pacific Fleet) and CINCPACAF   (Commander- in-Chief of the Pacific Air Force). He exercised command   over ground and air operations in Vietnam through CONMUSMACV   (Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Military Assistance Command   Vietnam), U.S. Army General Creighton Abrams. Admiral John McCain   Jr. died March 24, 1981."

John McCain III, graduated from high school in 1954, and entered straight away into the U.S. Naval Academy.  His entry into the U.S. Naval Academy, you can be sure, was not based on any evidence of fitness that others must show and have on the record, prior to being accepted.  No, he was given entry into this prestigious institution because his father was a highly respected and admired Admiral, and so too his deceased grandfather.  That was his ticket in.  And it was to this path he was destined, or so he thought.  From the very onset, he would walk in the footsteps of his Father and GrandFather, determined to summit the highest mountain of Naval Accomplishment, to enter into the lofty abode of the naval gods, the admiralty as they refer to it.  Certainly omnipotent and all wise in their domain. From his own words, we see that he is out to make history, to be part of the first family ever to produce two high achieving U.S. Navy Admirals, and to increase the number to three. 

From the very beginning a golden ladder is set before John McCain III. But we see, that personal ambition alone does not a golden achiever make.   

John McCain graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1958.  Out of a total class size of 900, he graduated with a Class Ranking of 895.  Five up from the very bottom of the barrel.   Out of those 900 men, 894 of them were considered smarter than John McCain III.

Did John McCain heroically hit the books, and strive to be an example among his classmates, an example that would do his father and grandfather proud?  No.   I understand that this question would not be valid for anyone attending the University of California at Berkeley for example.  But here we are talking about the U.S. Naval Academy, a very specialized institution, where they are training men and women not just to become warriors at sea, but training them to become the officers who lead men into battle at sea.  Did he inspire his fellows to high achievement?  No.   Did he provide an example that his commanding officers thought laudable and constructive to the mission of the U.S. Navy?  No.  They left their judgment on the record, according to their evaluation of 4 years of direct experience.  They gave him a class ranking of 895 out of 900.  Therefore, we have the first empirical judgment of the U.S. Navy.  John McCain is no hero.

When you read my next point (in the following paragraph), you will understand why the following scenario, which I will lay out in this paragraph, is within the realm of the possible.  John McCain III was not officer material.  And this was obvious to everyone.  But being the son of a highly respected living Admiral, John McCain Jr., and the grandson of a highly respected deceased Admiral, John McCain Sr. (passed away in 1945), both with lustrous records out of World War II, this live-for-the-moment party-animal  could not possibly be booted out of the Naval Academy.  This would shame his living Father, and actually impact his authority and promotional status within the Naval Ranks.  They wanted to do what they could to keep this black mark from falling upon the honorable father.  So, what the Naval Brass did was keep in four other very low achieving midshipmen whom they would have otherwise booted out, yes, they can thank John McCain for their survival (!), so it could be said, with the appearance of some truth at any rate, that John McCain did not graduate at the bottom of the class, and they passed him on into the life of the U.S. Navy for this one purpose, that his father not be shamed, and that his son somehow be given an opportunity to redeem himself.  I suppose you could say the U.S. Navy owed the father and even the grand father that much, which is probably true.   

If the reader does not buy this common sense conclusion, come back and read the previous paragraph again, after you read the next point.  I think, that after you read the next point, you will see how both the former, and the latter, combine to make a harmonious whole.

Now, you would think with a low class standing like that, that McCain would get assigned to a duty station which is at a correspondingly deep end of the barrel.  In other words at the bottom of the barrel in terms of glamor and opportunity.  Perhaps as a laundry officer assigned to a tug boat at a naval base in the Antarctic.  Really, that's how the navy sends messages to its underachievers.  They want their officers to have a realistic sense of their current state of excellence and motivation.  If you want to get out of here, you must start getting your act together!  But this is where his family ties come into play again.  John McCain III was given a coveted berth at a U.S. Naval Air Station to be trained to fly Navy Aircraft!

This was certainly an audacious move on the part of the Navy Leadership that would create dissension and resentment around McCain everywhere he went.  It is not good for morale to give a person a jewel of an opportunity for no other reason than his Father and Grand Father were admirals.  And especially when it is too obvious that the person does not deserve it one bit, based on his performance and skills.  Remember, 895 in a class of 900.  Think about that.  Every other pilot had to sweat blood to get to where they were.  And here is this arrogant son of an admiral who is seated on this throne of excellence with them, for no other reason than his father is an Admiral.  Human nature does not allow people to feel good about that, or to reconcile themselves with that.  It is a constant source of resentment.  And it is the worse, because these resentments are not allowed to come to the surface in a natural release, like a pressure relief valve on a pressure cook, because if spoken about, that would ll cast a shadow upon one's own Navy Record, and career advancement opportunities.   Now, think about this. Perhaps that rocket on the Forrestal, which set of a conflagration which killed 134 sailors, was not released by accident after all, that it was pointed right at McCain's jet, intentionally, now that certainly is an interesting thing to contemplate.

Therefore, you can see that if the Navy Brass could be so shamefully up-front about giving this underachiever one of the most coveted spots in the entire navy, for no other reason than he was the son, and grandson of two famous admirals respectively, you can see that it is also possible that in order to save the honor of his father, they would engineer a way to keep him in the Naval Academy, and allow him to graduate, when everyone knew the truth, that he was not officer material. 

And so it was, that John McCain III, in way of saying thanks, crashed one of those very expensive training jets in his first year of flight training (1958).  And the Navy said, no harm done John, we graduate you from your flight training school (1960). 

And so it was, John McCain III, in way of saying thanks, when deployed to the Mediterranean, he crashed an even more expensive fighter jet, flying it into some power lines in the Italian countryside.  And the Navy said, no harm done John, we will send you to McCain Field, named for his Grand Father, at the Meridian Mississippi Naval Air Station, and we will make you a flight instructor.  That's right.

Though, this was a double edged sword, in a manner of speaking.  This promotion sent a message.  Deployed to McCain Field, remember your roots and start getting your act together.  Returning from its Mediterranean deployment his squadron returned to its home base at the Pensacola Florida Naval Air Station, a cush deployment spot, with all that sun, surf, and pretty girls.  He was moved out of that cush spot, to Meridian Mississippi.  There is no comparison, in terms of a status duty station.  But most importantly, being deployed to a field named for his grandfather was intended to send a message.  Remember your roots.  Get your act together.   Do something to honor your forebears, please.

And so it was, that John McCain III, flight instructor, in way of saying thanks, crashed another one of those very expensive training jets, on an important solo flight to Pennsylvania, on his way to see the Army-Navy football game.  Isn't that amazing, that he would use a navy jet for that purpose in the first place, and then to underscore his foolhardiness by crashing it? And the Navy said, no harm done John, we will send you back to an operational squadron floating around in the sunny Mediterranean, on the U.S.S. Forrestal (1966). 
 
Another one of those interesting Navy Brass pat-on-the-back, and a kick-in-the-butt, messages.  The Navy Brass new this aircraft carrier would be deployed to Vietnam soon, and McCain should've taken this as their message to him, that he is going to be thrown into the war, and it is here that he is expected to make the choice, whether he will sink or swim.  Both his father and grandfather earned their laurels in combat.  So the son, who has so far showed no signs of having the military character so abundant in his father and grandfather, is now going to be thrown into the thick of it, well, from a high altitude, to see if that would finally bring the hero out of the man (that his father hoped was there).

And so they said to him, come out of this an honorable hero, or die an honorable death in combat, if for no other reason than for the sake of the honor of your father and grandfather whose memory you have so far shamed.  One or the other.  But John McCain II did not come out a hero, neither did he die an honorable death.  No the worst nightmare for his father was only beginning.  His son came out as a traitor as you will see, and the U.S. Navy so concluded by their actions in relationship to him.

And so, the U.S.S. Forestall was assigned to the Vietnam theater of operations in 1967, and that is where his plane, parked on the carrier deck, was fired upon by an aircraft awaiting launch, the incident mentioned above.  Can you imagine what the Navy Brass was thinking then, about this son of an admiral who they were doing their level best to lead up to the summit of the admiralty where he could join his father and grandfather in the honorable embrace of genuine achievement?  I am sure they shook their heads in disbelief.  This guy was really jinxed.   Talents, skills, moral character, fortune, nothing was going his way.  That was the fourth plane that he lost, and for the reasons stated above, about the boiling resentment of his peers, whose to say that this missile was not fired intentionally, straight at the plane of the son of the admiral, who keeps getting cush jobs, no matter how much he telegraphs to everyone that he is totally incompetent, indeed pushing the benefit-of-the-doubt equation well past the breaking point, all to save the father from shame.

John McCain III is assigned to another aircraft carrier, USS Oriskany, also operating off the coast of Vietnam, and in 1967, his fifth aircraft is shot out from under him.  He safely ejects, floats down, and lands in a lake.  And he becomes a POW.

At this point, I am going to skip over any details about what McCain did as a POW over the years 1967 to 1973.   I will let the U.S. Navy speak on the question of whether they saw him as a hero or not. 

Continued in Next Post ...

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 on: February 12, 2008, 08:57:18 AM 
Started by GoldenEagles - Last post by GoldenEagles
If You Support the Troops, Oppose John McCain

John McCain, is a cynical master at using our patriotic feelings
as a stepping stone into an office for which he has no qualifications.
Look at how he stepped right on the face of this wounded veteran.
This is outrageous.

http://tcoverride.blogspot.com/2007/02/what-carren-thinks-of-senator-mccain.html

Come on back and let's talk about this first-hand report of a veteran
wife bearing witness to the most outrageous insensitivity expressed to
her wounded husband laying right there in the hospital bed.

I believe Bill O'Reilly and the Factor should contact this wife
and get her to come onto the show to tell the world her story.
This is just the tip of an iceberg. What do you think?

This comes from a blog of a real wounded vet. His email address
is there for him to be contacted. There's no doubt in my
mind that her story should be told to the world.



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 on: February 12, 2008, 12:47:32 AM 
Started by avguste - Last post by avguste
-Steven, as quite a few of us,staff from the old Fred08Reborn explained, Senator Thompson decided to leave the race and there is nothing we can do about that. No amount of excitement or wishful thinking can change that.There is really no point in living in the past and hoping for Senator Thompson campaign to restart. Many of us,FredHeads asked for him to keep going,but once he took his decision, we have to respect his decision and move forward.And by the way,rumors have it that he is looking for a VP ticket.
This said,if he decides to run in 2012 for the presidential, all the FredHeads will be behind him
It is time to move forward and forward is the Senate,House races and the 2012 presidential.
-The name change came because of members voting.
-Same with the direction. Members voted on what direction the movement should go.
-Joel and the other original administrators disappeared out of the blue well before the site move.Joel supposedly has computer problems.
-The old forums were locked because of the move and they were locked this past Friday
-The move from provider to provider is always a painful one,especially when we deal with free hosting and when the lead admin Joel disappeared.Joel was the one with the main control and without him we couldn't do any transfers of database.
-I cannot comment on the posts you make referance as I wasn't the one locking them

I hope this answers your issues

Thank you for your time



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 on: February 11, 2008, 08:00:49 AM 
Started by avguste - Last post by StevenShowers
In the Interest of Full Disclosure

Almost the very instant that Fred08Reborn was started, there were people there who wanted to abandon Fred Thompson.  That movement succeeded.  When Fred Thompson said Stand Strong, their support collapsed like a wet noodle.  The person who started Fred08Reborn, Joel Watts, disappeared without a trace.  New administrators appeared who pushed the abandon Thompson theme.  It is sort of ironic that they renamed the group StandStrongAmerica.  When they would not stand strong themselves, or support the only course that would give meaning to Fred's statement, and that is the rebirth of his campaign.  These new administrators, with their new found power, became control-freaks, like little Castros, they began locking threads that did not go in the direction they sought fit.  And they locked quite few.  Any thread begun to protest the locking, they locked that too.  Any thread started for the purpose of dicussing this new thread-locking behavior, they locked that too.  It was a real blow to the sense of free speech.  And without apology, they banned the discussion of religion entirely on the original board, a policy that is extended to the new board.  They post that ban in their rules like a boy scout wears a merit badge.  On the original board, this author tried to explain the importance of Fred's reference to God in his First Principle.  They banned the discussion.  And any thread begun for the purpose of discussing the wisdom of such a religion ban, they locked that too.  And to top it all off, when they moved the discussion board from proboards, to some other provider, all of the previous posts on the original board were lost.  What does that say about their respect for what the many people contributed to the discussion up to that point?  It says they have no respect.  It's like it all never happened.  The erasing of history.  Pardon me for saying that that is a rotten start for a new "grassroots" movement.  The original board attracted close to 200 members under the banner Fred08Reborn.  When they moved the board under the new name, they only took 20 with them.  Joel Watts is not associated with the new board.  And now it looks like they are all trying to figure out how to come into line with new McCain "reality".  Stand Strong America?


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 on: February 11, 2008, 12:23:50 AM 
Started by avguste - Last post by avguste
Greetings everyone
Following the departure of Thompson from the presidential race, a few of the FredHeads started a site/forums named Fred08Reborn.
Following a vote by our members, we have now moved toward a grassroot movement named Stand Strong America. This also brought us a new site/forums.
Located at http://standstrongamerica.hostingdelivered.com/index.php , our mission statement is

"Stand Strong America is a grassroots movement which promotes conservative principles and values by educating the electorate, supporting solid candidates (at all levels of government) and working through the Republican party to effect transformational change and conservative policies for our nation."

I would like to invite anyone interested to visit us and join our movement.

Thank you for your time

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 on: February 10, 2008, 06:12:55 PM 
Started by GoldenEagles - Last post by GoldenEagles
The answer to your question is in the scenario set forth above, under the heading, "We're Not Done Moving Through the Veils of Political Illusion". 


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 on: February 10, 2008, 11:56:16 AM 
Started by GoldenEagles - Last post by SandraM
I agree with what you say, BUT why so late to the fray. McCain's surge began on November 27, 2007, at the CNN-YouTube debate where he used the line "I'm sure it (Woodstock) was a great cultural and pharmeceutical event, but I was tied up at the time."  McCain got a standing ovation for that line and started running on his war record.

Where were you in the weeks following? Your posts on McCain would have been very helpful then.

Why now?

Who do you support, Golden Eagles?

We're stuck with McCain. Thompson is gone. Romney is gone. Are you a Huckabee supporter? 

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 on: February 10, 2008, 07:42:21 AM 
Started by GoldenEagles - Last post by GoldenEagles
McCain - Feingold Seen in a New Light

When the people of America get into McCain's past, then they will finally see what was really behind Senator John McCain's effort to "reform" campaign finance laws.  Indeed it was all directed at making it more difficult for his own political opponents to use his own past against Him in the Presidential Race which he planned on launching from the very first day he became a Senator.

Where do you think this requirement came from, where the candidate had to say --- I AM SO AND SO, AND I APPROVE THIS AD ---, indeed the government forcing words to come out of the mouth of a U.S. Citizen, and isn't that a bit Freudian, when you consider that McCain's captors forced words to come out of his own mouth? 

McCain believed that by forcing his future opponents to make that statement, that this would deter them from running campaign ads which would hold his past deeds in front of the eyes of the American people.

Of course, it is an absolute abomination of the First Amendment to use the power of government to force a certain set of words out of the mouth of anyone.  Sometimes anonymity is the only way you can get the truth in front of the American people.  Remember the historic pamphlet signed by "Common Sense".

In way of illustration, consider the following Ad:

  • A photo of John McCain fades into view, perhaps the propaganda shot which depicts him in his Hanoi hospital bed.

  • Narrator says: "Former Vietnam POW Senator John McCain's captors forced him to sign a confession which said, 'I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate.'

  • These words, "I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate," are blown up to fill the whole screen, with the photo of McCain still in the background.

  • Scene fades into an image of Arlington National Cemetery with gravestones adorned with small U.S. Flags.

  • Narrator says: "A man who has been broken by his Communist interrogators is qualified to receive our sympathy.  But a man who has been broken by his Communist interrogators, even in the giving up of militarily useful information, is not qualified to become the President of the United States."

This is exactly the kind of Political AD that McCain is trying to dodge, and its many variations.  Conceivably, the opposition candidate, if he did not have to directly associate his name with it, could run such an ad without a backlash.   That is, to spend campaign money to have such an made, and to run it.  But if the candidate is forced to say, for example, "I am Mike Huckabee, and I approved this ad," this makes people back off from speaking the truth.

Look at that.  Government power used to force people to back off from speaking the truth.  Another interesting Freudian slip by McCain, because that is what the Communists themselves stand for.   And they have clearly sewn that seed into the mind of John McCain.

There is a loophole in the McCain/Feingold law, Thank God, which allows certain kinds of non-profits to spend money on such ads, like we saw in the last Presidential cycle with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.  A loophole probably added in the House/Senate conference committee against the objections of McCain.  That would be an interesting thing to take a close look at, to see exactly how that loophole made it into the law.

Those Republicans with only dollar signs in their minds, I understand they don't comprehend exactly how egregiously McCain betrayed America and American principles when he collaborated with the Enemy.  And they don't understand the visceral opposition to him by those to whom principle really matters.  Perhaps you will remember this important event from the last election cycle, where those who love the principles of honor and integrity made it quite clear they could not stomach the idea that (McCain Ally) Senator John Kerry could even get close to the White House, no matter what their politics, and that's what fueled Swiftboat Veterans for Truth.  God Bless Them Forever.  It's no coincidence that John McCain felt he had to come to the aid of John Kerry, doing his level best to trash the character of these good and honorable Swiftboat veterans. It was of course to save his own political skin, in as much as he's joined at the hip with John Kerry.  And in doing this, McCain simply underscored with a heavy black marker, using thick multiple strokes, what everyone already knew.  Yes, poking his finger into the eye of every golden heart, he raised his own true colors once again. 

  • McCain/Kerry - peas in a pod - birds of a feather.
  • McCain/Feingold - peas in a pod - birds of a feather.
  • McCain/Kennedy - peas in a pod - birds of a feather.

For those Americans, to whom principle is more valuable than gold, they will not tolerate the idea of John McCain getting close to the White House.   Every step closer he takes, they become more energized in their opposition.  Every step closer he takes, the more bells go off in the fire stations, even those who have always stood ready to protect the high rise towers of reason and good sense.  Every step closer he takes the more ladder trucks you will see rolling out of those fire stations to fight this high rise blaze of total insanity.

The Republicans are fools to stand shoulder to shoulder with one who betrayed the most essential American principles of courage and honor.  They are fools to choose a candidate that will raise up a passionate army of opposition right within their own ranks. 

Save America Now.  Save America from John McCain.



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